The world's largest official Facebook group for the Battle of Warships with over 17,000 members. Not to mention that the Bismarck could reload it's main guns faster than the Yamato, and thus get more rounds on target. Now the only penetration values we know for certain for the vessel are the ones the US Intelligence obtained from a source in Japan for their 20km and 30km tests, as these were considered common engagement ranges for the vessels to be engaging the US Fleet. They had an opportunity to turn a modest victory (because that was all it really was -- Hood, while a great symbol of national pride, was not exactly a first-rate combatant at that point) into a crushing one, but chose to let it slip away. A 4 to 5 gun salvo was common practice by 1925, the Gabelgruppen, is still a salvo. 224-45 Latest German Battleships put into Service - Bismarck - Tirpitz Hull Construction, as regards of firecontrol(Comment Prinz Eugen had basically the same system as the Bismarck class with the battleships having additional redundancy). Yamato was designed around the idea that an individual ship could have superiority over any battleship of a potential enemy. History tells us that the crew of Yamato would think that Iowa was part of a larger force and retreat. I dunno. All results of german ballistic tests were collected by Krupp in a penetration textbook called Durchschlagatlas. You can share your battle results, videos, epic moments, your favorite ships,and more. Bismarck isn't even in the same class. So good in fact that the US Intelligence reports from Japan from likely designs based off the one that was to be fielded on Shinano puts her accuracy ranging at about 35-40% better than US and British Optics at the time. Yamato was built under a vail of secrecy. Or at max range when her shells might theoretically penetrate Yamato's decks, but which would place her at an enormous disadvantage from Yamato's dramatically more deadly plunging fire? The smaller guns also have a shorter hang time in air, thus giving the yamato less time to maneuver to avoid getting hit. However, Iowa's superstructure from the tops of the funnels on up reaches 70 feet above sea level or 21.34m, giving it a 19km over horizon. Now lets compare contrast the Iowa and New Jersey taking on the Katori and the Nowaki. The effective range is not identical. I would consider Bismarck as inferior (size matters), but Yamato could not force Bismarck into a battle due to speed. By contrast, Yamato had a 16" belt and a NINE INCH, at maximum, deck. I have been a nurse since 1997. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------. As all who have stated with hard, technical facts above, few (if any) of the big-gun warships ever created would have a chance against Yamato in a 1 vs 1 gun duel. The difference between the Panther and the Yamato is all about tiering. Also, considering Bismarck's logs were not recovered, and PoW's was the only ones recorded, Bismarck did not achieve a true straddle until the 8th set came, from war diary "...Both vessels are on target after the first salvo...", Baron Müllenheim Rechberg (third artillery officer on board Bismarck) wich was also a survivor also notes 1. Type Cuirassé Classe Yamato Histoire A servi dans Marine impériale japonaise Commandé Mars 1937 Quille posée 4 novembre 1937 Lancement 8 août 1940 Armé 16 décembre 1941 Statut coulé le 7 avril 1945 Équipage Équipage 2 750 hommes Caractéristiques techniques Longueur 263 mètres hors-tout 256 mètres à la ligne … As a matter of fact, there is no record of the Yamato ever hitting another ship with it's main cannons, that is a serious issue. Its second, fell directly between Hood and Prince of Wales. Bismarck — German Tier VIII battleship.. By the start of World War II, Bismarck was one of the mightiest battleships in the world, owing to her advanced gun fire control system and powerful artillery. "Bismarck’s first salvo (4 guns) fell in front and slightly to starboard of Hood. It can't help but be better than this kit. The Iowa on the other hand, would win most of the time vs the Yamato. or the reconstruction made by Antonio Bonomi published also at hmshood.com, or the offical Naval Staff History Battle Summary No 5 The chase and sinking of the "Bismarck" 1950. depending on the importance of the component. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. most people wouldn't know the name Bismark if the RN hadn't had a hart attack at the sinking of Hood. With radar fire control, but the West Virginia and the Washington were able to get a straddle on the FIRST salvo. You state in the Atlantic it has the advantage for shorter ranged engagements. And Iowa, being faster, would never allow Yamato to get into a range where she could be effective. Bismarck was a fantastic-looking ship, although I think Yamato has a handsome look to her too, in a massive, awe-inspiring kinda way. Oh, I had not heard that announcement. It isn't hard Paladin, you can do the calculations yourself. Beginners are welcome. Hell, due to slope and effective LoS, at 15km the armor would be 456.16mm effective vs the Mark 5's 457mm of penetration. IF, they engage in the Atlantic, specifically the North Atlantic the Bismarck has a far better chance. The reason, speed, accuracy, crew skill, and the desire to live. We have to remember that after loading the shells (which happens at a fixed angle, usually 5 degrees), the guns would have to be raised to the proper elevation. Especially when you take into account all the other ships that will be in the battle. As for hitting the maneuvering Iowa, it would be about the same % as the Iowa due to those dispersions, and mind you, Yamato could see Iowa's superstructure at from the top ring of the funnels to the radar from 43.453km away. Even they use absolutely lower material strenghts, the provided protection by the spaced arrangement was increased compared to single plates . In the period before and during World War I, German guns were designated by their bore diameter in centimeters, SK meaning naval cannon, and their nominal overall length in calibers. Every time I read or watch an account of the Denmark Straight, this is the part which has me screaming internally. Lutjens never even gave the order to fire on Hood, despite the fact that the sea was full of 14/15' shell splashes at the time. Although large and capable of absorbing enormous battle damage, Bismarck and Tirpitz simply did not compare favorably with any other navy’s fast battleships. Iowa can be expected to be able to hit, more effectively, more consistently, closer to it's maximum range, than Yamato. Point blank when her ROF is slightly higher? For research purposes, of course. Yeah, Lutjens was a sod. The difference is that the Yamato has a 20 degree outward slope that would increase that effective armor against that hit. It would strike a deck at 16.31 deg to horizontal and penetrate 167mm of NVNC steel plate. Because of their size there were problems in manufacturing that lead to difficulties rifling the barrels. In areas wich possibly gave questionable results, the expected values ​​were verified by real shots at armor plates. Six knots is a very big difference, you know. +1 on this. By her 4th salvo she had a full straddle, but due to the size of the escort carriers and the size of her spread at that range it's hard to get a hit on something that small. Yamato's turrets are impenetrable to the German 15" shell, and Yamato's shells can penetrate Bismarcks turrets at any range. Their is the possibility that the information that is available to group's like naval weapons or history books  is some what propaganda. I'll be honest: I think my money still on the Japanese in such a contest, but at least the Germans could conceivably split her fire. World of Warships - téléchargez et jouez au jeu en ligne multijoueur figurant des bateaux, faites partie de la communauté WoWS EU Lutjens could have so easily scored an even bigger victory and killed off the ships reporting his position (thereby improving his chances of escape) in one fell swoop. AO Schneider saying on the intercom following the fire comand by the captain, Schneider comanded the first 4 hektometer Gabelgruppe -observation fall of shot -short-, second 4 hektometer Gabelgruppe the upper impacts were observed as short the lower salvo was observeds as straddle, immediatley Schneider commanded "gut schnell" wich means shooting for effect starts. This caused severe barrel wear and loss of accuracy after a comparatively small number of rounds. And that really comes down to a question of whether or not the two Germans can put enough shells on Yammy's upperworks to render her a floating wreck before some 18" salvo pierces either's magazines. Not that anybody was trying to be be misleading but from my understanding the information available is suspect and from what I understand this is why: 1. In Artillery, we consider a near miss a hit if it does damage to the target. Which could mean any set amount. This included sinking the HMS Hermes, the first carrier to be sunk by carrier aircraft. Link to post Share on other sites [KHIF] … Two enemy capitals sunk? Yamamoto: Japanese Naval Officer or a fashion designer. Her first salvo over shot and nearly struck St. Iowa, with her first-generation TDC, could consistently hit targets at 24 miles. But from what I read it is somewhat fragile. Even in that situation, which could be considered "ideal" they fired over 100 rounds for 12 hits. Hitler wouldn't have given a fig if the planned trade sweep had been abandoned. Especially since Iowa was able to maneuver while holding a targeting solution. Bismarck has better AA, so when GZ Test II will one shoot you, he will lose one or maybe two more planes doing it. That's opposite in fact. How? Considering that elevation speeds were usually in the 3-4 degrees per second range, it would take quite a while for Bismarck and Yamato's guns to reach the proper elevation to fire upon and hit each other. By the start of World War II,Bismarckwas one of the mightiest battleships in the world, owing to his advanced gun fire control system and powerful artillery. The Yamato class also had something else going for it that many BB's didn't, an unusually tight spread of its main guns to better allow shells to dive. Bismarck would also be doing the same. USS White Plains had to go in for complete drydock and repairs due to all the damage that was done just from 1 near miss, including flooding, warping of its outer-bulkheads and damage to its deck. At least the Iowa has the ability to hit OTH, the Yamato did not. For this reason, the Yamato class was put to sea. The methodology of German Naval Gun designations changed three times in the first half of the 20th century. Followers 1. That seems really sketchy. Bismarck Secondaries VS Yamato: World of Warships | Wows Bismarck vs Wows Yamato-----.. With a travel time of roughly 36 seconds, I would personally think the average at that range would be around 45-50 sec per salvo to adjust and correct fall. Captain Lindemann -- who was quite capable -- was disgusted when Lutjens declined to pursue Prince of Wales and finish her off. And at 37km, that's not an easy feat by any vessel of the time. C'est pas Yamato, Iowa ou Bismarck qui les tournait aussi vite xD-Bon plugliese était tellement à peine correct que je le mentionne pas. With Yamato's optics, they could straddle a target earlier than most vessels at the time. I think Yamato may have a slight edge at tier X but I don't think it will be able to stomp any ship it comes up against. So I guess Iowa will fire all its shells and maybe get 2-3 hits that aren't near misses. Par contre je suis désolé mais la protection sous-marine du Yamato je … The U.S. Goddagames, June 3, 2014 in General Game Discussion. One might read the british report ADM 213-951 German Steel armour piercing projectiles and theory of penetration from 1946, it contains interrogation protocolls of leading engineers of Krupps ballistic research. This is an all plastic kit molded in medium gray except for the red plastic waterline plate. By anonym_oll9bEiYuB07, November 3, 2015 in … It's one thing to debate technical merits (within which, I believe, Yamato crushes Bismarck with ease. The Imperial Japanese Navy put a lot of emphasis on long range fire via spotter aircraft as part of a strategy to defeat the US Navy's battleship fleet in open combat. which makes it much more difficult to hit. You also failed to address the abysmal Japanese gunnery results overall. IMO, Yamato would completely destroy the Bismarck. Based on the weight of armor used per m of protected shiplenght Bismarcks protection for vital areas of the ship compares favourable with other schemes. Deren Salven legten die fehlerhafte Konstruktion drastisch bloß . So, what's this about over the Horizon and being "invulnerable"? 5. Fire control was one of the Japanese ships major weaknesses. 17 best images about navi ww2 on pinterest us navy world war and imperial japanese battleship iowa image search yamato vs class post treaty battleships the inglorius padre steve #39 s uss ijn of warships official forum C'est en tout cas plus pertinent de la comparer elle aux autres parce qu'elle datait de la même époque que Bismarck/KGV/Yamato. This section is dedicated to World War II Warships of all fleets, covering all the belligerents in 1939 and operations from the 1st September 1939 shelling of the Polish Westerplatte by German Battleship Schleswig Holstein up to the Armistice in September 1945. To break that down for you, at 25km, the ranging inaccuracy of most optics was around 100-125m to properly guess the range of a target. Note there has been an announcement by Aoshima of a newly tooled Bismarck to replace the above kit sometime in April of 2008. I like rooting for under dogs and trolling. Evaluations of Iowa's firecontrol lead to reports like this one: "Spotting both 5-inch and 16-inch splashes, HC or AP, with the radar is comparable to deliberately drawing a picture of the splashes on paper and looking at it. Unfortunately most if not all of this data was lost with the ship. They displaced 7,800 tons at 512 feet long moving at 19 knots maximum. Everything considered as vital like ammunition machinery plotting rooms main electric cabeling powerplants was situated below the main armor deck. The biggest warship of World War II and the world's largest battleship. Minor Navies WW2 Fleets and battles. The german distinguish between vital and non vital ship components. At the battle of the Java sea, Japanese cruisers fire 1271 shells between 22,000 and 27,000 yards, and scored 5 hits, not an impressive feat of gunnery. So you probably want to use that "But the Bismarck could fire 3 rounds per minute!". You mention that Yamato was able to achieve a straddle quickly, but it still missed the target. She was sunk on her first operation, Operation Rheinübung , on May … If I recall from the thread long ago about Yamato vs Iowa there were some questions about the validity of the information about the accuracy of the Yamato's main guns. Bombs from the Dauntless sank all four of the Japanese carriers lost at Midway. And again, the fact that Iowa WOULD be able to hit Yamato at ranges that Yamato would not have been able to effectively reply is a big one here. 11-11-2020 1/700 HMS Grey Goose (Atlantic Models) by Joel Middleton . There are many Battle of Warships gameplay videos in this group. So my winner is Yamato class hands down.. Gascogne — French premium Tier VIII battleship.. A battleship design developed on the basis of the very successful Richelieu class, which received improved AA capabilities and had the main turrets placed in the ship's aft and forward ends. They had an abysmal hit rate in the Battle at Java sea, that carried on through the war. probably the Yamato but how do we know when the Bismarck isnt in game yet. That also includes near misses from bombs if it did damage, that damage was still obtained, even if not at the amount desired, it's still a hit. Invite you to the world's largest Official Facebook group. Edited May 11, 2017 by Waroch. So both vessels would be in effect firing about the same rate of fire depending on actions. Now, the Yamato in theory could fire a shell every 32 sec from the angle of 12 deg which is the angle required to fire out to 20km. Yamato's optics are 33.2m off the deck giving her a 24km view range at something at "sea level". not to forget the target switch past destruction of Hood, wich immediatly produced several hits on POW on succeding salvos. She'd be almost completely helpless as Iowa tore her apart with accurate fire with 2,700lb superheavy AP at ranges that Yamato would have an extremely difficult time replying. Reality would dictate that so many more factors would be involved that we just can't calculate and at the end of the day luck would decide the winner. Share this post. By Iowa would be able to maneuver better while firing because she'd be able to maintain a firing solution while maneuvering. Most saw action during and after the Napoleonic war around the world, preying on trade. Why? Without knowing entry speed, exit speed, duration of a 180/360 degrees turn, time until the ship reacts on the rudder, maximum heel etc a comparison may be misleading and speculative. Which means the Yamato can view from her FCS Optics the Iowa's main turrets, secondaries, bridge, and superstructure but not the hull line, that's enough to range a target and put shells down range. As to the Bismark vs Yamato, the Bismark is too old of a design to be able to stand up to the Yamato 1 on 1. 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